Anxiety said:

It's so funny cuz I'm such a Madonna fag, but this album isn't easy to love for me. I'm liking it more and more with each listen, but I have a hard time not feeling like she's venturing into Kylie territory.

GangstaFam said:

somebody recently said to me that "kylie territory" is nothing but a gerrymandering of "madonna territory" and now madonna is just redistricting again. it was pretty funny at the moment but now that i think about it, its pretty accurate.

I agree with you about "SuperPop".She really should have placed it on the album! Remove the bland,boring "How High" and replace it with "SuperPop" and you would have a perfect Madonna album.

GangstaFam said:

somebody recently said to me that "kylie territory" is nothing but a gerrymandering of "madonna territory" and now madonna is just redistricting again. it was pretty funny at the moment but now that i think about it, its pretty accurate.

DavidEye said:

"How High" is one of my very favorites. Way better than "SuperPop".

SassyBritches said:

Kylie started out as a Madonnette, but she veered off on her own tangent a long time ago and hasn't been in sync with Madonna for awhile, I think. Madonna doesn't have anything like "Light Years", "Fever" or "Body Language" (although some of the ballads there are a bit Bedtime Stories-ish).

ehuffnsd said:

well, right, but i'm assuming if madonna's wearing red plaid bondage pants with a union jack tank top, she's going more for a malcolm maclaren thing than a BSDM thing.

Anxiety said:

very true... but it was also going back to her forgotten roots. most people don't that she spent time in the punk scene before she found her calling as a Pop Icon.

ehuffnsd said:

but it wasn't so much the punk scene she was part of as it was the club scene. there's a difference. she was linked more to the village club/art scene back in the day. basquiat. haring. folks like that.

This story in The Sun newspaper, REALLY made me laugh...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/a...8,,00.html

Madonna fans 22 years on


1983: Way we were ... Paula, left and Donna ready for Madge gig

PAULA DAVIDS and Donna Treanor saw Madonna’s first ever gig on British soil in 1983.

The ageless superstar was back at the same venue in North London on Tuesday night.

Here Paula, 39, and Donna, 42, both of Croydon, South London, relive that night of 22 years ago.

Paula said: “It was a week night and I shouldn’t have been there – but I’m glad I went.

“I remember her singing Holiday and everyone clapping. She had attitude even then.”

Donna added: “She was really focused and, like me, she hasn’t really aged much since then.”


2005: Way we are ... Paula, left and Donna are still fans

Moonbeam said:

no she doesn't have entire albums like Light Years or Fever and thankfully not like Body Language. There are many singles from Madonna that she has done that are better than any of those albums. COADF is a much darker souding Fever. I don't think they are really in competition anymore. they have staked otu their places in history, but i think Madonna is able to the pull that package together better than Kylie.

ehuffnsd said:

I don't think Madonna has done anything as good as either Fever or Body Language since Ray of Light, although I like her subsequent albums as well. As a whole though, Madonna's career trumps Kylie's I'd say.

Moonbeam said:

i'll agree on Fever... but Body Language was not as good as say Neon Nights.

ehuffnsd said:

I love Neon Nights too, but I think Body Language is significantly better. You wouldn't find "It Won't Work Out" on Body Language...

SassyBritches said:

"Sanctuary" is the best! I adore "Survival", "Inside of Me" and "Forbidden Love" too. The extra stuff from that period is perfection.

Her '94/'95 era is one of her most overlooked and most consistent I'd say.

This story in The Sun newspaper, REALLY made me laugh...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/a...8,,00.html

Madonna fans 22 years on


1983: Way we were ... Paula, left and Donna ready for Madge gig

PAULA DAVIDS and Donna Treanor saw Madonna’s first ever gig on British soil in 1983.

The ageless superstar was back at the same venue in North London on Tuesday night.

Here Paula, 39, and Donna, 42, both of Croydon, South London, relive that night of 22 years ago.

Paula said: “It was a week night and I shouldn’t have been there – but I’m glad I went.

“I remember her singing Holiday and everyone clapping. She had attitude even then.”

Donna added: “She was really focused and, like me, she hasn’t really aged much since then.”


2005: Way we are ... Paula, left and Donna are still fans

Justin1972UK said:

French and Saunder, Saunder...

so, I'm not sure of the Madonna-Thread-Norms right now. This may be deserving of a different thread, but I didn't know.

And, after skimming this thread there seems to be a lot of reflection on her past work. So, I present to you Entertainment Weekly's list of the 10 most unjustly ignored Madonna tunes. Discuss

''Think of Me'' (Madonna, 1983)
You probably composed more complicated synth lines on your Casio back in 10th grade, but darned if that monotonous bleep-bleep-bleep doesn't provide a rock-solid foundation for young Miss Ciccone's game warble. The song's message of demanding respect in a relationship is just as simple, and equally timeless. But if there's any doubt about the decade Madonna produced this confection, the righteous sax solo near the end is as effective as carbon dating.

''Over and Over'' (Like a Virgin, 1984)
Admittedly, there are as many clichés as there are beats per minute on this unrepentantly sunny number. But, singing with an enthusiasm that borders on scary, Madonna sells the message — ''I get up again, over and over'' — completely. Spin it liberally...for inspiration.

''More'' (I'm Breathless: Songs From and Inspired by the Film Dick Tracy, 1990)
''Nothing's better than more,'' Madonna sings, channeling her Breathless Mahoney character from Dick Tracy. And indeed, when it comes to the movie's soundtrack, nothing really is better than ''More.'' Just when you think Stephen Sondheim's rapid-fire wordplay is about to get away from her, Madonna pushes through, proving she's got a stronger instrument than a lot of critics would like to admit.

''Waiting'' (Erotica, 1992)
Who knew Hip-Hop Madonna was such a complicated gal? Sing-speaking over a spare beat, jingly piano, and sinister bass line, Madonna at first conveys a desperate, aching longing for her no-good lover, but gradually shifts to a mood of icy disdain, culminating in a scathing closing line that's not fit for print on a family website. Wicked, and wickedly good.

''Bedtime Story'' (Bedtime Stories, 1995)
It may be one of Madonna's few singles from the '90s that didn't crack the Top 40 (it peaked at No. 42 on the Billboard charts), but you've got to admire her for foisting a zesty, Björk-penned electronica track onto the airwaves. Coupled with an eye-popping video that had Madge free-falling through the galaxy and popping doves out of her stomach, ''Bedtime Story'' will always be a smash hit, at least in the minds of her loyal fans.

''Buenos Aires'' (Evita, 1996)
Ambitious girl arrives in the big city with even bigger dreams. It's a story Madonna knows all too well, and, not surprisingly, she infuses Andrew Lloyd Webber's frantic show-stopper with a palpable hunger. ''Give me credit, I'll find ways of paying,'' Madonna demands. Far be it from us to make the lady ask twice.

''Drowned World/Substitute for Love'' (Ray of Light, 1998)
Listening to superstars ruminate on the trappings of fame and fortune is usually a pretty tedious exercise, but here, Madonna breathes new life into the idea that ''some things cannot be bought'' by giving one of the most nuanced vocal performances of her career. The submerged soundscape gives the impression she's singing from the bottom of the ocean, but as she crescendos to the climactic mmm-mmm, it's clear Madonna's also singing from the bottom of her heart. ''Drowned World'' may not have been released as a single in the States, but the fact that Madonna chose it as the name of her 2001 tour tells you it's one of her favorites too.

''Shanti/Ashtangi'' (Ray of Light, 1998)
What is Madonna singing about on this hypnotizing little ditty? Beats the heck out of me, but the whirling percussion, layered vocals, and flourishes of flute take me somewhere distant and sublime — the Ajanta Caves, perhaps, or maybe the Kabbalah Centre?

''I Deserve It'' (Music, 2000)
Forget about co-producer Mirwais' whirs and whistles: At its heart, ''I Deserve It'' is a soulful acoustic track that, lyrically and melodically, ranks as one of Madonna's loveliest compositions.

''Nobody Knows Me'' (American Life, 2003)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, American Life was too preachy for its own good, and this song was among the primary offenders. (Sample lyric: ''I don't watch TV. I don't waste my time, reading magazines.'' Gah!) Still, if you treat Madgebot's vocoder-enhanced instrument as just another space-age effect, the message dissipates into the larger surround-sound spectacle, and you're left with a track that'll give you a workout on the dance floor or the treadmill.

i love It Won't Work Out. Dannii hit with Neon Nights. that album and it's outtakes espically the Goodbye Song are great.

Kylie started out as a Madonnette, but she veered off on her own tangent a long time ago and hasn't been in sync with Madonna for awhile, I think. Madonna doesn't have anything like "Light Years", "Fever" or "Body Language" (although some of the ballads there are a bit Bedtime Stories-ish).

I don't think Madonna has done anything as good as either Fever or Body Language since Ray of Light, although I like her subsequent albums as well. As a whole though, Madonna's career trumps Kylie's I'd say.

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Moonbeam said:

How do you see the new album fitting into that mix?

Don't think it will touch Fever or Body Language, but you never know!

Moonbeam said:

You seem totally in love with it. And I know you prefer Madonna overall. So I thought it stood a fighting chance.